What should I expect from a scopist?

Asked by LCA226 {67}
9/10/2010 10:43:02 PM

I had a scopist/proofer that was recommended to me scope some work. This person did sort of a crappy job. The witness was hard, yes, but there were questions and answers missing, a lot of phrases missing, some words that were wrong, some words that were not looked up and incorrectly spelled, problems with punctuation, etc. I am re-scoping and re-doing the whole thing. Do I just have to pay this person anyway and never send them stuff again?

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Answered by debeemartin {193}
9/13/2010 9:46:42 AM

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Hey,

I would negotiate the payment calmly.  It is a scopist's job to do the research, spell correctly, insert what you didn't get correctly.  I wouldn't go back for more from that person, because they sound lazy.

Court reporters are not lazy.  If they'd do it to you once, they'd do it to you, again.

When you try another scopist, get them to write you a list of what they think their duties are to be your scopist, and then you'll have that in writing and it is what they listed as THEIR job.

If it is a job with mega exhibits, the scopist is to look at each one as they discuss it in the job and quote whatever is quoted and make it accurate according to the exhibit and what was said.

I pay my scopist when I get paid.  I may have to do that different now, because I just fired my scopist after 20 years.  Too sassy on the wrong day, and lousy service, as you mentioned above, and he used to be a court reporter then firm owner and then teacher at the court reporting college where I met him. 

Be fair always and firm always, and make sure you don't have the tail-wagging-the-dog situation.  After all, you're writing their check. 

Best of luck to you, Carol DeBee Martin



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Cristy Johnson
There are a lot of good scopists out there. You need to find a good match. Pay them, but don`t call them back!! CSR nation has some scopists...
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Tracie Brumley
don`t pay and don`t send them anything ever again. i had the same experience. just be up front with them and they should not give you a problem.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Jennifer Tow Hulbert
Be honest with her about the quality of work. I don`t necessarily agree with not paying her at all, but maybe a reduced fee could be agreed upon. I had a similiar situation years ago, and that`s how I handled it.My own question here: Are reporters out there really having that much difficulty finding quality scopists? I`m a retired reporter and have thought about scoping a bit to keep busy, but assumed the market is probably not there with the economic downturn.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Vicki Martin
I`ve had them charge me for audio but then obviously not listen to it! I pay anyway because I feel bad but I don`t use them again
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Angela Buonantuono
Would love to find a scopist but find having to reedit they`re work takes longer and many times they change. Things that shouldn`t be changed! I edit myself and give to a proofreader for a fresh pair of eyes. Pay a reduced rate!
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Angela Buonantuono
Oops, their work
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Vanessa Theisen
Sadly, I`m relieved to see these comments. I thought there was something wrong with me! I can`t seem to find a good scopist either. My problem with scopists is deadlines. No one wants to meet it. They don`t let me know they won`t be able to meet my deadline until it causes some real time crunches for me. I`ve had to take jobs back and pull all-nighters due to scopists not taking deadlines seriously. This has happened three times in the past year. I`m sooooo discouraged.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Lori Gallagher Zabielski
I have been reporting for 14 years and have run into the same problem. I`ve always paid the scope but never used them again. After years of searching, I`ve been lucky enough to find a wonderful scopist. Don`t give up searching. Having an experienced scopist is priceless! Anyone interested or in need of a professional and experienced scopist with very reasonable rates, I`m willing to share (hope I don`t regret this...lol). Her name is Cristi and her email is clgal@ymail.com. You will be very
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Lori Gallagher Zabielski
Paid the scopist. Auto spell check...I need to turn that off!
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Linda Vellecca
I am a scopist and agree that the scopist needed to be paid. There is no obligation to use her again. It would be to her benefit to explain why. There are many good websites to find a reputable scopist.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Debbie Bridges
I also think the transcript should be quickly edited first before sent to a scopist so that you can provide the scopist with proper names, etc. Scopists are scopists. They can be helpful, but they can`t perform miracles. I wouldn`t give them a job that was terribly difficult. I think when you get overloaded unexpectedly scopists could come in handy, but in the end, you will need to proofread the entire transcript for peace of mind. Scopists need and want to be trained too and given tips
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Rhonda Kunes
Yes, in my opinion, you should pay them and then just never use them again. They did the work, regardless of how crappy it was.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Thomas Herman
You shoulld pay; maybe speak to the scopist about what you are feeling and get a discount for all your trouble. One thing I`d like to point out is from what you`ve written it sounded like a rough job to begin with; scopists are support for CRs. Cr`s are the ones who`s job it is to get an accurate records for the scopists to work with. If whole Q and A`s and chunks of words were missing to start (unless I misread your post) it sounds more like the scopist is doing partial transcription job. Alway
Saturday, September 11, 2010
John Lynch
Been there with transcriptionists. Nobody is going to care about your documents the way you will. You just have to pay them what you contracted and be done with it. That way you can allege that THEY breached the contract and YOU did not, even in the face of what you saw as a breach. Probably not worth it to get into a battle with them because it`s a costly judgement call to go to war over money. As you know, only the lawyers win.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Sharra Reno
Good scopists are extremely hard to find. I tolerated a marginal scopist for 10 years before finding a fantastic one that actually used my software. With .wav files and e-mail, it`s so much easier to find one since you`re not limited to your area or snail mail. Keep looking. Just send new scopists 20-or 40-page jobs to see if they`re worth their salt. If they don`t know when anytime is one word or two or can`t add dropped testimony (and who doesn`t drop. Please!) then move on to the next o
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Angie McGalliard
I would send them the transcript they edited and the transcript YOU re-edited, ask them to compare the work, and then ask them how much they want to charge you for scoping what they did. Put it in their ball park, and it will also show them how bad their work is! BTW, I have to brag, I have the DREAM TEAM of scoping/proofreading! My mom scoped for me for years, and when she retired, my best friend, a former CR with 15 years experience, started scoping for me, and my proofreader was an Engl
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Laura Klingenberg Fowler
This is why I always prefer to scope my own stuff. It`s faster and easier and you learn where to improve. Then use a proofreader. It`s cheaper.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Shenna Basye-Cara
Wow -- I feel extremely lucky that I have such a great scopist. I agree you should pay her but never use her again, and explain why. Perhaps negotiate a reduced rate as well. But keep looking -- when you find a good scopist, they are invaluable. I always like to be the last person to look at my work, which is why I don`t use a proofreader -- the scopist does the harder/longer part of the work, and then I proof after. Even if I do an audio proof, it`s still way faster than if I need to scop
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Deirdre Rand
I had a large firm scope a job once and it was easy to see they had cut it up into parts and had different people scope it. It was terrible. As was said, I had paid for audio and they hadn`t used the audio. Things were missing, things were differently spelled in one section than another, and worst of all, they had totally ignored my preferences sheet that I had filled out for them. I paid them their (rather expensive in my opinion) fees and never used them again.I then found a friend that
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Rebecca Callow
Definitely call them out on their errors. I had the same thing happen to me. In one case I sent an errata, and in the other case, I called to their attention several places where they made GLARING mistakes. I negotiated with them and in one case, one scopist agreed not to charge me, the other one I paid. But absolutely never used either on of them again.In the future, before using a scopist always ask for references and CONTACT their references. I have a set of detailed questions that I s
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Tisha Belme
Speaking as a scopist, there is simply NO excuse at all for a scopist being paid full audio rate to miss questions and answers. If there are missed single words, it should be a very rare mistake. If they don`t do a good job, tell them. Be specific. Feedback is very important and how they respond to the feedback will tell you whether or not you want to work with them again. If they take the critcism well and offer to reduce their rate, go over the job again, work more closely with your pre
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Robin Hudson
Aren`t scopists supposed to make our life easier?? I would run a compare of your finished product and their work product and send it to your scopist, along w/ a bill for YOUR time and see what they say.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Lynn Penfield
I have tried and tried and tried to find a scopist. I don`t want to train them. I want them to do their job and do it right. If I`m paying what amounts to a third of my page rate, I should be able to do a proof of the scoped job and not have to CHANGE THINGS BACK to the correct way. I`ve given up completely on scopists. I scope my own work and use two amazing proofers. I hate scoping and wish I could have found someone, but I`m done looking. It was too frustrating.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Judie Mcaskill
only send things to scopists that have audio. ask for audio line by line scoping. do not pay for crappy work.
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Janalee Whitacre
I have the same problem. I tried five of them before I found an absolute gem. She can`t take all my work so I`ve been looking for a second scopist and have run into all the problems stated above. I even tell her to please leave me as many requests to double-check any uncertain area as she wants, but I still get deletions of what I wrote -- because she obviously can`t read steno-- and fills in what she thinks she heard, which makes absolutely no sense. It seems the basic problem is a lack o
Saturday, September 11, 2010
Katie Wood
This is what I do: I go through the job and fix untranslates, put speakers in. If I miss something during the job, I write miss miss and I go back and listen to it with my audio sync. I then send the job and the scopist listens to the whole job with audio. It`s really hard to find a good scopist. I`ve been there too. Using audio sync can really make a difference because you can just go right to the spot and listen. Good luck!
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Sharon Velazco
I agree with you, Angela -- proofreaders are definitely a must! Those fresh eyes always catch something!
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Brenda Jeppesen
I`m a retired reporter here and I never could let anyone else touch my own work, edited it myself and used a proofreader for 24 years, but now I scope for others (StenoCat) who appreciate working with an experienced former CSR/RPR. We have mutual respect for each other`s styles and I am learning to adapt to special quirks and update preference sheets as my relationships grow with my special court reporter friends. I`m really enjoying my post-court reporting adventures :-)
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Pamela Fielder
With all of that being said...I am a court reporting student, and currently work for an attorney as a Paralegal. However, I have not been able to put the hours into my machine practice, since I am working for this attorney. I would like to become a scopist and have wanted to for a couple of years now. I see mixed messages about scopists...love/hate, and I can see why. I would really like to do scoping...I know that it would help me in my future as a reporter. So, if anyone, or anyone you kn
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Nina Buckles
Wow! I am floored by your experience with that particular scopist. I am a scopist and have been for the last 8 years and I would NEVER -- EVER do a half-a$$ed job! That is MY reputation on the line!! I always try to do my best on every single job I have. There ARE good scopists out there!
Monday, September 13, 2010
Susan Capobianco
I do everything. If something is wrong, no one to blame, but me. Back in the day with typists, fresh eyes were a good thing, but I still read the transcript after I got it back. I hate proofreading, always have, but you know what,it`s the most important part of the job.
Thursday, September 16, 2010

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